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	<title>Comments on: Treatment of the Pacific Islands is an embarrassment to rugby</title>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.therugbyblog.co.uk/treatment-of-the-pacific-islands-is-an-embarrassment-to-rugby/comment-page-1#comment-5145</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ll find the article makes that point as well Tony. You&#039;ve just picked out the criticism of the Southern Hemisphere and ignored the criticisms of the Home Nations and of the top nations as a whole. And the conveyor belt does not work more the other way at all. OK so there may be a few who have lived in New Zealand but chosen to play for their country of heritage but how is that the same as just bussing them over at the age of 15 so that by the time their old enough they have become naturalised.
Plus they&#039;re on NZ&#039;s doorstep so I repeat the question, how come they cannot find time to award the islands a fixture or 2 as individual nations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ll find the article makes that point as well Tony. You&#8217;ve just picked out the criticism of the Southern Hemisphere and ignored the criticisms of the Home Nations and of the top nations as a whole. And the conveyor belt does not work more the other way at all. OK so there may be a few who have lived in New Zealand but chosen to play for their country of heritage but how is that the same as just bussing them over at the age of 15 so that by the time their old enough they have become naturalised.<br />
Plus they&#8217;re on NZ&#8217;s doorstep so I repeat the question, how come they cannot find time to award the islands a fixture or 2 as individual nations?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Penman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Penman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Antipodeans know that if these countries become forces, then the conveyor belt of South Sea talent feeding their own national teams may dry up (and don’t try to pretend it doesn’t happen).&quot;

So what evidence do you have of this? The conveyor belt to which you refer actually works the other way with many in the Pacific Island side which played in the autumn internationals having been born or at least having grown up in NZ (or in Rualini&#039;s case Queensland). I get sick and tired of Brits raising this tired old nonsense in which they merely reveal their own ignorance. If you really wanted to do somehting useful get on the back of the RFU to give more money from such fixtures to the PI rugby bodies. Yes tidy up your own back yard before you try to tidy ours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Antipodeans know that if these countries become forces, then the conveyor belt of South Sea talent feeding their own national teams may dry up (and don’t try to pretend it doesn’t happen).&#8221;</p>
<p>So what evidence do you have of this? The conveyor belt to which you refer actually works the other way with many in the Pacific Island side which played in the autumn internationals having been born or at least having grown up in NZ (or in Rualini&#8217;s case Queensland). I get sick and tired of Brits raising this tired old nonsense in which they merely reveal their own ignorance. If you really wanted to do somehting useful get on the back of the RFU to give more money from such fixtures to the PI rugby bodies. Yes tidy up your own back yard before you try to tidy ours!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Sheridan's scrummaging and bench press coach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Sheridan's scrummaging and bench press coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane Williams&#039; side step coach, firstly, do you reckon you could spend some time with England&#039;s back division? I feel my hard work up front is going to waste.

Secondly, I agree but what better way of helping out than goodwill gestures such as a mjor nation actually deigning to tour there, or giving a good portion of the gate money for a game at eg Twickers to the visiting Pacific Island team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane Williams&#8217; side step coach, firstly, do you reckon you could spend some time with England&#8217;s back division? I feel my hard work up front is going to waste.</p>
<p>Secondly, I agree but what better way of helping out than goodwill gestures such as a mjor nation actually deigning to tour there, or giving a good portion of the gate money for a game at eg Twickers to the visiting Pacific Island team.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;This year they’ve played teams such as Japan as well as Australia A and NZ Maoris. They also played Australia last year in preparation for the World Cup (and got beat by 50 points) &#039;

Mikey I think this sums it up to be honest. They&#039;ve played second teams, also-rans and they only get a big fixture so the other team can build confidence for the World Cup. And even when they do get fixtures, those fixtures are generally away from home. I could be wrong but I think NZ have never played a test in Samoa. Why not? Can you imagine the enthusiasm which would greet them, the number of people it would inspire. That&#039;s the way in which we need to be reaching out. I&#039;m sure they don&#039;t want freebies but just to be involved in the rugby world in their own right. They&#039;ve earned that.

And mate there were 60,000 people at Twickenham. That would have filled most rugby stadiums in the world. It&#039;s a pretty good return. I don&#039;t think that illustrates that nobody is bothered about watching them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;This year they’ve played teams such as Japan as well as Australia A and NZ Maoris. They also played Australia last year in preparation for the World Cup (and got beat by 50 points) &#8216;</p>
<p>Mikey I think this sums it up to be honest. They&#8217;ve played second teams, also-rans and they only get a big fixture so the other team can build confidence for the World Cup. And even when they do get fixtures, those fixtures are generally away from home. I could be wrong but I think NZ have never played a test in Samoa. Why not? Can you imagine the enthusiasm which would greet them, the number of people it would inspire. That&#8217;s the way in which we need to be reaching out. I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t want freebies but just to be involved in the rugby world in their own right. They&#8217;ve earned that.</p>
<p>And mate there were 60,000 people at Twickenham. That would have filled most rugby stadiums in the world. It&#8217;s a pretty good return. I don&#8217;t think that illustrates that nobody is bothered about watching them.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Williams' side step coach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Williams' side step coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Welshman, I have experienced first hand the value that the island nations (in my case Fiji - to my woe) bring to world rugby.

The problem lies with the infrastructure in their home RFU. It doesn&#039;t have the cash to invest in facilities, coaching etc and, as a result, the teams suffer. They can&#039;t tour outside of their area, and as such either spank the likes of Japan, or suffer a hiding from the young All Blacks.

It&#039;s hard to see how this is going to improve without a big cash injection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Welshman, I have experienced first hand the value that the island nations (in my case Fiji &#8211; to my woe) bring to world rugby.</p>
<p>The problem lies with the infrastructure in their home RFU. It doesn&#8217;t have the cash to invest in facilities, coaching etc and, as a result, the teams suffer. They can&#8217;t tour outside of their area, and as such either spank the likes of Japan, or suffer a hiding from the young All Blacks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to see how this is going to improve without a big cash injection.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pacific Island nations need investment in order to progress - the idea of an Islands Super 14 franchise has been thrown around for a while now. I think it&#039;s about time the IRB steps up and invests in rugby outside of it&#039;s comfort zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pacific Island nations need investment in order to progress &#8211; the idea of an Islands Super 14 franchise has been thrown around for a while now. I think it&#8217;s about time the IRB steps up and invests in rugby outside of it&#8217;s comfort zone.</p>
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		<title>By: RugbyJon</title>
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		<dc:creator>RugbyJon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about asking the players what they want to do? I wonder if anyone at the IRB has ever thought of doing that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about asking the players what they want to do? I wonder if anyone at the IRB has ever thought of doing that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey - I think you have missed the point. The &#039;big&#039; nations need to play against the smaller teams to help them to improve.  As they develop they will be more competitive in the test matches they do play and that will pull in the crowds.  We can&#039;t just have a situation where Australia and NZ just play each other 4 times a year because they&#039;ll get bigger audiences...ultimately, that will switch audiences off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey &#8211; I think you have missed the point. The &#8216;big&#8217; nations need to play against the smaller teams to help them to improve.  As they develop they will be more competitive in the test matches they do play and that will pull in the crowds.  We can&#8217;t just have a situation where Australia and NZ just play each other 4 times a year because they&#8217;ll get bigger audiences&#8230;ultimately, that will switch audiences off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on...lets not get carried away here. Though I agree the Islanders rugby is sight to behold (I was at the SA v Fiji game in the world cup chearing on the Islanders) I get a little tired of the same old &quot;Big bad bullies&quot; picking on the &quot;poor ickle nations&quot; arguments that always get rolled out.

There is no pot of money that gets set aside by the UN for rugby nations to share. Each nation generates it&#039;s own revenue from the demands of it&#039;s supporters through TV money and ticket sales. As much as we all love the idea of the islanders playing rugby - take a look at the viewing figures for last weeks game against the coming week&#039;s match v Australia. Also if my eyes didn&#039;t deceive me there was a huge number of seats unused at Twickers, something I&#039;m sure will not be the case this week. We can&#039;t love the idea that much!

Lets look at Fiji as an example, they play plenty of test matches every year - the players don&#039;t got wrapped in cotton wool and put away until the next world cup. This year they&#039;ve played teams such as Japan as well as Australia A and NZ Maoris. They also played Australia last year in preparation for the World Cup (and got beat by 50 points) - so they get their opportunities.

This tour the Pacific Islanders are on is a great idea as I&#039;m sure it will raise the profile of the island nations and lead to bigger and better things. So stop complaining about how we are treating them and get out and watch them. If we filled Twickenham then I&#039;m sure there would be more tours and more money available in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on&#8230;lets not get carried away here. Though I agree the Islanders rugby is sight to behold (I was at the SA v Fiji game in the world cup chearing on the Islanders) I get a little tired of the same old &#8220;Big bad bullies&#8221; picking on the &#8220;poor ickle nations&#8221; arguments that always get rolled out.</p>
<p>There is no pot of money that gets set aside by the UN for rugby nations to share. Each nation generates it&#8217;s own revenue from the demands of it&#8217;s supporters through TV money and ticket sales. As much as we all love the idea of the islanders playing rugby &#8211; take a look at the viewing figures for last weeks game against the coming week&#8217;s match v Australia. Also if my eyes didn&#8217;t deceive me there was a huge number of seats unused at Twickers, something I&#8217;m sure will not be the case this week. We can&#8217;t love the idea that much!</p>
<p>Lets look at Fiji as an example, they play plenty of test matches every year &#8211; the players don&#8217;t got wrapped in cotton wool and put away until the next world cup. This year they&#8217;ve played teams such as Japan as well as Australia A and NZ Maoris. They also played Australia last year in preparation for the World Cup (and got beat by 50 points) &#8211; so they get their opportunities.</p>
<p>This tour the Pacific Islanders are on is a great idea as I&#8217;m sure it will raise the profile of the island nations and lead to bigger and better things. So stop complaining about how we are treating them and get out and watch them. If we filled Twickenham then I&#8217;m sure there would be more tours and more money available in future.</p>
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